Becoming Fearless
Welcome to Becoming Fearless, the personal growth podcast for YOU if you are ready to overcome fear and step into your greatness.
Our purpose is to help you overcome your limits and have loads of fun along the way, unlocking your fullest potential in life, business, health and relationships every single day.
I'm your host Charlotte Carter, a high performance coach and entrepreneur, with over 20 years experience. I've supported many highly driven talented people like you who dream big and are ready to take action to overcome what’s holding them back.
Each week my guests and I will be sharing hacks and habits on how to build self belief, courage and confidence to master your mindset and navigate your emotions - so that you reach your human potential in a way that feels light, fun and easeful and help you become fearless.
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Becoming Fearless
38. Managing ADHD in Business with Kim Raine
Ever wondered how high-achieving women with ADHD can balance their thriving businesses and their unique minds? This episode uncovers the secrets of success through the inspiring journey of Kim, a pioneering ADHD coach, author, and speaker. Kim has dedicated her career to helping female entrepreneurs master their ADHD and soar to new heights, and she’s here to share her invaluable insights.
Kim takes us on a journey from her early days running female-focused fat loss boot camps to discovering the profound impact of life coaching and neuroscience on behaviour and habits. She opens up about a pivotal moment with a client that led to a deeper understanding of ADHD, both in herself and others. We explore how ADHD manifests in high-achieving individuals and the critical importance of breaking the stigma surrounding it. Through her work with the Neurodiversity Training Academy and an upcoming ICF-accredited ADHD coaching certification, Kim helps her clients navigate their condition and their careers with confidence.
Discover the emotional toll of undiagnosed ADHD and the relentless struggle to fit in, as Kim shares her personal experiences and those of her clients. We delve into her empowering book, "Square Pegs: A Book of Self-Discovery for Women with ADHD," which has resonated deeply with women who see their own stories reflected within its pages. Join us as we explore strategies for achieving high performance without burnout, the significance of stillness and self-discovery, and the transformative power of early recognition and personalised coaching.
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Kim's book recommendation: Letting Go by David R Hawkins
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Welcome to Becoming Fearless, the personal growth podcast for you if you are ready to overcome fear and step into your greatness. Our purpose is to help you overcome your limits, have loads of fun along the way, unlocking your fullest potential in life, business, health and relationships every single day. I'm your host, charlotte Carter, a high performance coach and entrepreneur with over 20 years experience. I'm your host, charlotte Carter, a high-performance coach and entrepreneur with over 20 years experience. I've supported many highly driven, talented people like you who dream big and are ready to take action to overcome what's holding them back. Each week, my guests and I will be sharing hacks and habits on how to build self-belief, courage and confidence, to master your mindset and navigate your emotions so that you can reach your human potential in a way that feels light, fun and easeful and helps you become fearless. Let's go.
Speaker 1:Hello and welcome to another episode of Becoming Fearless. This is a guest episode with somebody who I've known for quite a few years and we have always had a laugh and a great connection, and I wanted to bring this lady to the world because she has crafted a niche in her space that is like so, so needed and so required, and the journey that she took to get there has been so, so inspirational, so powerful, and I just wanted to bring it to the ears of the masses. So, kim, do you want to let people know a little bit about who you?
Speaker 2:are and what you do now, and then we'll dive a little bit into your story. Okay, hello, my lovely. So I'm Kim, adhd coach, author, speaker, educator, et cetera we have. I'm the founder of the Neurodiversity Training Academy. We run the ADHD practitioner, which is a CPD accredited ADHD certification quite, you know, highly CPD accredited. We, by the time this goes live, we'll be running ICF accredited ADHD coaching certification, which I'm super excited about because that's something that you know, I've always held the ICF accreditations in quite high esteem, so that's quite a thing for me.
Speaker 2:And I work with entrepreneurs mostly female entrepreneurs with who are kind of to give them focus and clarity and confidence around balancing their businesses, adhd and really helping them. And actually, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to knit your little, your word like become fearless and get out of the way of their ADHD and go and run the businesses that they have maybe have run in various forms, but actually very often what we're getting to the whole thing of ADHD being this kind of elephant in the room that you don't quite can't put your finger on what's wrong. So, yeah, I absolutely love what I do. It's amazing. I feel very, very lucky to be doing what I do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you are so fabulous at it. So let's rewind and let's take people on the journey of like. I remember when we first met um and it all came up about you having this business that you'd had for quite a while. That was around the whole personal training side of work and I remember your angle then was all about body before business, before we came into this ADHD angle which you own now. So do you want to sort of talk people through a little bit about how, how that started and kind of what that journey was.
Speaker 2:So I kind of like so. So the personal training part when I met you, I probably I think I was just sort of coming out of but um, the but very the you know the space of that journey of being a PT, going on to train and coach and teach other PTs, students to become personal trainers, and then also going on my own journey with that, with alongside my clients, so realizing, you know, people were coming to me about exercise, but then learning the nutrition, but then it was more about stress became a huge, huge thing. Very quickly kind of realized for me that actually, you know, it was never a problem with knowing what to do. It was about it wasn't a lack of strategy, that was the problem, it was just being able to put the strategies in place. And so that you know, and for a lot of my clients that was the problem, it was just being able to put the strategies in place. And so that you know, and for a lot of my clients that was stress related, that was not sleeping properly, that was having hormones that were all over the show um, anxiety, confidence, lack of confidence, low self-esteem, feeling overwhelmed. So I kind of went down this thing of hormones and tried to look at it from a very, again, strategy place of like, okay, well, if you can't sleep, you can do this or you can do that, and running a bit.
Speaker 2:At the time I had a series of female sort of fat loss boot camp, exercise camps around Surrey, and then there just came a point where I was like, okay, I can't keep having conversations with women about these strategies, when what I was actually getting was because at any one time we would have sort of like, well, well, over 150, 100, 100, 250 clients, and so for me, I was getting behind the scenes of all these women's lives and I was seeing what was going on behind the scenes and it's all well and good telling, you know, somebody who is drinking wine every night or doing, you know, trying to lose weight or just just not doing what they saying they're going to do one thing and doing the other. We can have these sort of superficial conversations, but I was like I really want to get to the meat of what is really going on here and that took me into doing studying, as you know, doing the life coaching and the neuroscience, and really looking at behaviors and habits, um, and working with women and kind of then ending up working with. And then I sold the the boot camps business because again it just was, it was. I loved that business. I mean that business changed so many women's lives and the community was phenomenal and one of my coaches bought it from me, but it wasn't the conversations that I wanted to have anymore, so went off and did, did that but actually then had these, were working with these really successful women predominantly again, but men as well, and they were overwhelmed, they were burnt out, they were struggling with, not feeling enough and I've always said, you know, actually it was always about enough, I don't do enough, I don't have enough, I'm not enough.
Speaker 2:It was always around those things and pushing more and needing to be more and seen as more. And then one of my clients one day came to me and said more and needing to be more and seen as more. And then one of my clients one day came to me and said, um, and she was, you know, I mean like this lady was global head of talent from a huge media company that everybody would know, you'd all know it and she came to me and we'd been working together for a while and she was a great client, she. We would go through these amazing phases where she would be like a testimonial, you know she'd have lost the weight and she wasn't drinking and everything was going so well, and then suddenly it'd be like she's just completely dropped the ball and it was like well, where's that come from? And it just didn't.
Speaker 2:There was with some of my clients.
Speaker 2:There was just this elephant in the room that just didn't kind of make sense. Anyway, she said to me one day Kim, I think I've got ADHD, and that just opened a whole new world for me. That was like. My first response to that was well, you can't have ADHD because you're so intelligent and successful and you know like, you're not the stereotypical thing that I then thought that was ADHD. And of course, what that took me down was realising that I had ADHD, that ADHD was in my family line because it's highly, highly hereditary, and that several of my clients who were struggling with these things and that we couldn't quite put I think were could actually well, were actually in fact ADHD and went to help quite a few of my clients then go on to get diagnosis, work through that, and then that kind of brought us to roundabout way where we are now sort of going into that space and and it was still very much then quite a stigma thing, that space, and and it was still very much then quite a stigma thing.
Speaker 1:Um, I mean it's it's grown thick and fast, the conversations around ADHD and everything over the last couple of years, so, um, it's been an interesting space to be in, for sure, but uh, yeah, yeah, so let's take um, let's pause a little bit on some of the things that you've talked about, because I'm sure there are lots of people listening and I know there are lots of people in my world that have been clients, that are going to be, you know, people that are coming in and listening to the podcast to learn different things. Let's talk a little bit I want to and what are the kind of typical presentations that you see, even though nothing's typical, but what are they? Like you?
Speaker 1:know, top five, eight things that you see like. For this lady, for example, that was like highly successful. Just all of a sudden there would be periods where she would just drop the ball and drop who she was and everything, she would be like a different version of herself. I see that in so many people, a lot of my clients and in myself as well. So is that like one of the typical things Not that we're saying typical, but you know what I mean the very broad brush areas.
Speaker 2:I think that you know ADHD actually is also. You know there's a huge, you know a huge genetic component to it. However, it's also very much led by your you know I see clients that when they are doing, when they are in flow in inverted commas, you know when they're doing what they want to do, when they're having, when they're spending spending, when they have some balance in their lives and they have calm in their lives and they're having fun in their lives, but they've got purpose in their lives that their ADHD symptoms are pretty low. And so if I go back to me when I was coaching, then you know those symptoms like that, like the lady I was talking about, you know, yeah, I can do the not drinking, I can do the uh, get all the plates spinning, and you know I can be superwoman, and then what happened would be, there'd be, but you know, oh, but I can do a bit more and I'll do a bit more and I'll do a bit more. And very often you know. So I guess what I'm trying to say is ADHD is really exacerbated when we are not, if I'm honest, like not paying attention to ourselves, to our world and to what's going around.
Speaker 2:So you know it's very um, there's something called situational variability, so somebody might have some ADHD traits in one situation that they just don't have in another. You know, and what they say is you know, if you're doing something that's really interesting, you, if you're playing to one of your strengths, then then that person you might be like, well, they haven't got ADHD, but put them in a. You know, let's use a child, a sporty, someone sporty at school, you know. You know, on the sports field, they're not. There's no problems with their emotional dysregulation, there's. Well, unless you know, but they're, you know, they're focused, they're paying attention, they did it all because, but put them in a classroom, suddenly they're an absolute nightmare and and unable to, you know, concentrate and focus, and they're getting distracted and they can't, um, control their emotions.
Speaker 2:So that I think that's a really important thing to think of. First of all, is that actually, you know, if you're looking, it's not. There are places that it will come and it will. It will ebb and flow, um, but the things to be, I think, looking at realistically and again it depends on gender, it depends on stages of life, um, but you know, it's this hyperactivity. So actually, what we think of is hyperactivity being physical and needing to move all the time or needing to run everywhere. Well, actually, you know, very few women actually, as adults, have that. Some women have that energy they need to get, but others are completely inattentive.
Speaker 2:And that hyperactivity is cognitive. So it's the racing thoughts, it's the anxiety, it's the feeling internally driven by this motor, which can be amazing when you've got a great business idea and you're going and this is all great, going, great guns. But actually, when you're getting to the end of the day and it's time to power down, but you are thinking I've not got enough, I've not done enough, I need to keep going, I need to do more and and powering down feels uncomfortable, then that's not such a great thing. So you know, understanding that hyperactivity is not just a physical thing, it's cognitive. I also say it can be visceral. So you know it can be a feeling in the body that just fills this discomfort within your body. Um, the you know, probably I I'm probably not the person to have the discussion about it, but I think we'll lead as we learn more and more about it. We will learn a lot about people who don't feel comfortable in their bodies, about this neurological thing. You know that actually, yeah, you know, because it's very, very the adhd is not just about the brain, it is about the nervous system as well. It's hugely about the nervous system, um, so, yeah, um, it is seeing distraction and and the other thing is I know I'm not being very precise at the moment but, like you said at the beginning, it's very hard to be precise because it is it's so different. And the other thing with adhd is, you know, I could talk about it now and I could guarantee you that 95 of the people listening to your podcast would go.
Speaker 2:I think I've got ADHD and probably haven't, because ADHD is a lot of personality traits. You know, everybody gets distracted. Everybody has times when they overthink, or times when they feel like they need to do more, or times when they feel, you know, exhausted and burnt out. You know, if you're somebody who is constantly burning out, if you know that your energy for me now I know. You know, when I look back I was like, oh, my word, like I have come across so many most ADHDers, I know I say it should be ADHBD. You know it's.
Speaker 2:It is about the burnout as well, because that energy that it just takes to be to, to have this energy, to have this nervous system that is constantly switched on in one way or another, is exhausting, you know. So if you are burning out a lot and you're thinking, you know, for me, I used to walk around for a long time, particularly in my early 40s, where I was really sort of really my first big burnout. I mean, I did millions of little burnouts, but the real humdinger. I would walk around going what's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? What's wrong with me All the time, because I would look around at other people and I just couldn't keep up with them. I just couldn't keep up and I'm not talking about, you know, on a running track, I'm talking about in life. I just couldn't keep up. I was exhausted all the time.
Speaker 1:And I think this is the other thing that I wanted to touch on, this burnout piece, because we, you know, like you say, adhd is so, so broad and shows up in people in so many different ways and burnout is something that high performers have, and I think this, I love that. A, d, h, d. Well, you know what I said I'm not sure that's something that I see.
Speaker 1:You know there's a. I've had a lot of clients that come to me that have been in that space that you've just described, where they're like I just can't keep up with life, and they haven't necessarily wanted to own that burnout label or even think that they were even possible, or they were very much in denial. And is there a piece like that for some of your clients or the some of the work that you do that they're in this burnout bit and there's like a permission for them to be able to release?
Speaker 2:you know the shame of being like that a hundred percent, I think.
Speaker 2:I think that understanding for, for anybody that sort of like goes on the journey of discovering they've got ADHD, though, and it is a real journey it's from like, oh no, that's not me, oh, that's not me, to like, oh okay, maybe could that be me, maybe that's me to that, or I think it's me. Then it's like no, it's not me, I'm just that's not me too. Like, oh okay, maybe could that be me, maybe that's me, to that, oh, I think it's me. Then it's like no, it's not me, I'm just lazy, I just need to pull myself together. That you know that whole journey people go on. There's so much validation at the end of it of like, okay, now I have an explanation, and you know it's not an excuse and that's a corny sound, but it isn't about making excuses. It's just about like, now I understand myself, and that's really what I. You know.
Speaker 2:I thought that when I sort of made the real switch to okay, now I'm going to really focus on the ADHD side of things, particularly in the coaching space, I thought, okay, everything's going to change, I'm going to do everything differently. It wasn't nothing's really changed around my. I'm still coaching, I'm going to do everything differently. It wasn't. Nothing's really changed around my I'm still coaching. I'm still coaching the same things, but it's through a different lens of a different understanding of themselves and that, in some ways, in some ways, allows the taking the foot off the gas a bit. However, we still have ADHD. So, you know, there's still a part of you that's like okay, I don't want to burn out, I'm going to take it easy. I'm going to take it easy, okay, I'm doing this, I'm doing this. Right, I need to do something Like what can I do now? And so it can be really challenging.
Speaker 2:There's still that feel of it's about learning to sit and this is, you know, this is anybody that's burning out ADHD or not. It is about learning to sit in that space where you know if you are living in a place, where you are on gut, you know you're switched on the whole time and your nervous system and your energy, and you're constantly running from one thing to another, rushing from a to b, and you know your, your business, your kids, your family, your partner, your parents, your school runs well, book days, blah, blah, blah, all of these things, and you're trying to do that. You are living, living in a, in a place where you know you are um, you know what we call it tired and wired, really but you are frazzled and you are pushing things. You know you're in like the not quite the red, but you might be in the orange zone. Well, what eventually happens is your nervous system gets used to living in that zone. Your nervous system thinks this is normal, this is how we live.
Speaker 2:So, actually, when you try to be like, okay, I don't know, but did I recognize I'm gonna have a morning off or I'm gonna have a weekend off, or one or two things happen. You know, at first it can feel very uncomfortable, really uncomfortable, because the nervous system is like well, hold on, this isn't normal, this isn't our normal, I can't, I can't sit in this space. This isn't normal. What can then happen, though, is then you get into it, and then, suddenly, you can't. You're like, oh, all right, okay and everything. You know, your cortisol levels drop, because that's what's been keeping you going, and then, suddenly, you're getting every cold and cough and you find the opposite's happening, and now you can't move. But you know, I think burnout is something that, as anybody, that is kind of like a high achiever, nobody wants to really give in to burnout. But ultimately I always used to say you know you can't outrun your body, you can't outrun your physiology. Sooner or later it's going to catch up with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and when it catches up, you're going to take longer to recover, and I think that's one of the biggest things, isn't it? If you don't, if you're listening to Kim and you're thinking you know either on the ADHD side or on the burnout side and you're thinking, oh my God, that's me, then it will. You do need to tune into why you're resonating with that and what are the pieces, and don't push it to one side, because I've had people where burnout has hit them. They've lost two years. It's taken them two years to get over the physical symptoms and that's just on a. You know, and life is for for living.
Speaker 1:It's not about being burnt out and, like kim says, your body will take the toll if you're not careful, and it's. You know. Some people where we're wearing this badge of you know I'm going to work hard and I'm a high achiever. This, the high achiever in the space that I talk about, is the high performer, is the person that's not burnt out. They're the person that recognizes the stillness and recognizes the pauses and recognizes the growth that they're going to get by being in those spaces and, like in your words, kim, this powering down is so powerful. It will make you power up much, much better, crisper, cleaner and all of those things yeah so let's fast forward to today yeah
Speaker 1:and your tell the world a little bit about your book, because I got your book and I just read it like I sat outside and I was like I'm just gonna dip into Kim's book and then I was like, oh, I've read the whole book. It's absolutely phenomenal and I identified myself in a lot of the stuff in Kim's book. It's a great book. I'll put the link in below. But just tell people a little bit about your book because I think it is an intro for people who are curious, isn't it? And just to get an insight into some of the ADHD states.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the book was. And again, I think that you know the book is for women. It's a book, so it's called Square Pegs, a book of self-discovery for women with ADHD, and you know it really is about that. It is about those, you know, getting on the journey and thinking wow. And I quite often get messages of like I'm into the first chapter and I'm sitting here crying, in fact, when the editor, the lady that edited the first edit, and I'm sitting here crying, in fact, when it the editor, the um, the lady that edited the first edit, I forgot what they're called now, or the editor, I suppose.
Speaker 2:Um, she got in touch with me on a Saturday night and said uh, I've got to go through this again because I'm just completely given up that, because I'm sitting here crying, this is me and I'm just seeing myself and all of these parts are just falling into place. Um, and so for that, it really is about that and I like to think of it more as a, you know, more of a coaching led book than a. There's facts and figures in there, there's stuff about ADHD, but you know, I'm not a. It's not the book to go to find groundbreaking new stuff about ADHD, if you know what I mean. It's a book to go and discover yourself in it and see yourself.
Speaker 2:And when I started writing it, what I said at the beginning, you know, that wasn't the book that I was going to write and I was quite resistant to writing it, and it was so funny because I kept trying to write. The book was going to be on menopause. The book was going to be, yeah, for women in menopause, and I kept trying to write that book which should have come. You know, which is what I knew and what I was working with. It comes so easily. And it's so funny how resistance shows up, because I and I'd written quite a bit of it but I just couldn't get the title. And I was like this and that and I was saying to you know, my editor, I can't work out what to say, and then it's not just coming. And then one day I was like, because it's not the book, you know, the book is, you have to write the book, that. And then I was like, oh, you're not ready, because of course you're not ready, you're not good enough, you're not this, you're not that. But actually I'm so glad I wrote it because the feedback that so many women that have read it has been phenomenal and I'm just actually, yeah, actually quite proud of it and I I dunno, I kind of wrote it thinking, yeah, just to, I just wanted it to be for anybody who had because it's called square pegs, because you know, I say in it as well, the whole square peg in a round hole.
Speaker 2:Um, all of the time you're trying to fit in, all of the time, you know, living, living with undiagnosed ADHD is traumatic, because you will have spent a lot of your life trying to fit in, a lot of your life looking around thinking, you know, like me, with the, but why can't I keep up? Well, how is it so easy for them? Why is it so difficult for me? Or I was the mother I talk about in a book. You know, I was the mother and actually, probably for me and as a coach, I've heard this from so many of my clients talking about their mothers and I've had to say I was that mother. I was the mother who had a child who, um, you know, at the time I didn't, we didn't know she was new, I was undiagnosed, she was, and I just thought, well, you've got to fit in the world. You've got to fit in the world because unless you fit in, life's really difficult. You know, I'm going to push you and push you and push you and try and make you fit into all these areas and of course, oh my God, it was just the worst thing to do.
Speaker 2:So the whole part of the book is because I just, you know, for me I don't want that to be anybody else's story because I think that actually the difference between having having ADHD and really struggling with ADHD symptoms and really struggling to, you know, the out like the, the, the, the reality is.
Speaker 2:If you look at the statistics, the outcome for ADHD is really quite depressing in many areas.
Speaker 2:You know relationships, financially, health wise, career wise, education wise and a lot of that comes from square pegs, round holes, you know, constantly trying to fit in to a narrative or a belief system that you're not fit in to a narrative or a belief system that you're not and actually the reality is when we can just understand it and go oh, hang on a minute, you're not going to fit in this round hole, we need to go and find a square hole, and when you do, that's when adhd becomes.
Speaker 2:And I, you know it's not a word that I use or something unless I'm talking to a child you know young, child, but that people talk about a superpower, but certainly I don't feel it's a superpower. Some days it's bloody hard work, isn't it? But it can become something that there are many, many, many strengths and it's for the youngsters who get to, who get to understand this, and we can understand it for them at an early age, the outcomes, I hope, will be so different, so different and that's a big part of the work that you do now, isn't it?
Speaker 1:and go and get that book. I'll put the link in the notes for people who listen. It's a fabulous book and one that you won't be able to put down. But the um work that you do now with the people in terms of your certification, it's about helping people understand their strengths, isn't it? And how they can navigate themselves, understand their clients and then really finding their own methods that work for them, working out what's right for them, what's the tools and techniques, what's the kind of rhythm of life for them, as it were, and people being able to own that. And I think so much in the neurodiverse community is about people not necessarily owning who they are because they, like you, say they haven't been able to fit in or find their place or find their tribe or whatever it may be. But when they work with somebody like you or they qualify in some of your um bits and pieces, then there's this like ownership of that part of who they are, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think. So the first part, like the ADHD practitioner, is really about the education around ADHD. You know, and there's I mean, and that is going to be an ongoing thing. I just think, gosh, it's going to need constantly updating because the research that's coming out now is thick and fast, okay. So I know for me we're going to. I mean, it's not going to need constantly updating because the research that's coming out now is thick and fast, okay. So I know, for me we're gonna. I mean, it's not going to need constantly updating, but it's evolving all the time.
Speaker 2:Um, but actually there's a lot in there that actually, and and what happens with it is people are coming on to it to be like, okay, yeah, I want to work with adhd clients, I'm going to come on this program, I'm going to learn, and what happens is happening in quite a few well, most cases, and I suppose, like you, any of us, to become coach, to become, you know, the best we can be, we have to go through the process ourselves. So what's happening in the first instance is people are coming on the program and, even though they might know their ADHD, they might be fine with it. Suddenly, when you're seeing this fed back to you, it can be quite a journey in itself. So that's sort of like the first part of it. And then the second part is, you know, understanding it, getting educated about it, understanding the um, um, you know everything around it the science around it, the strategies around it, the do's, the don'ts, the how to bring the best out in those and empower those with ADHD. And then the coaching part of it is really about on helping people just unpick the stories and the beliefs that they have formed around their adhd and who they are.
Speaker 2:You know, and very often and this is something again the book, you know, is really what the book was about was like undoing those stories and beliefs and strategies that you've used to survive and to get to where you've got to. And now it's like, okay, now we have this new lens, we have these. It's like putting new glasses on. Let's just go back and just revisit and unpick some of those stories. And just revisit and unpick some of those stories and just see what, if we can rewrite those. So you know, I'm not a therapist, I'm a coach. Um, so mine is about going forward. But but for some people, you know, there is this need for therapy and there's certainly um from the back.
Speaker 2:It came off the back of the book because what I wasn't expecting was the book to be so well received. And then the the influx from that and that was from people going can you help me, can you help me, can you help me? And I couldn't. And at that point, and still now, I didn't have anybody to refer to. I didn't have anybody that I was like well, I know that you're trained, I know you're an expert. I had lots of people that had ADHD that were like oh, I'm a coach and I've got ADHD, or I'm a this and I've got ADHD, which, and it's great. But actually, like when you said to me earlier what are the five things, I find that really hard to say because it's so different in everybody. So you know, you can't think, because you have ADHD, that that's everybody's ADHD. So that's what we're trying to sort of overcome with that. Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you understand it. I imagine the people understanding how it shows up for them in their life to date and then how they manage it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, finding their own answers as well. And if you're listening to this with adhd guys, I I tell you now nobody can tell you what to do. You need to work with somebody a coach someone and devise your own strategies and what works with you, for you with an expert, because I could tell you the top five things to do if you've got adhd and you probably won't do them because they won't resonate, you know, and and that's a big part of the journey, isn't it?
Speaker 1:and it's a big part of the same in terms of high performance. It's like they you've always, and one of the journey that I've been on really is about educating yourself and listening to all of the advice and then tuning into actually what bits resonate. What bits are you actually going to do? What bits feel right in your body which is a high performer is a big thing, because so many of them spent time in the head what bits, actually, intuitively, can you tune into? And there's and there's multi-layers, isn't it?
Speaker 1:For people, yeah, as they navigate high performance and adhd and all of those things, um, but definitely first off, I think, square pegs and look at Kim's website where you can find out all of the other bits and pieces. Finally, kim, because we could talk for hours, yes, because we usually do, but I want to ask you the only question that is the constant in my episodes, which is what is a book that has come into your world or into your awareness that you have either listened to or read where you're like? Actually that, at this particular stage in my life, really shaped who I am today?
Speaker 2:So for me, I think there was a book and it's called Letting Go by Dr David Hawkins and it is a book and it's a hard read. I mean like literally it's a hard, and actually I even downloaded the audio book once to try and it's hard read. But it is about emotions and he's based in kinesiology and it's about how the different levels of emotions and where they sit within your energy and he talks about every single emotion and the first time I read it I kind of like probably took about five to ten, but I've read it three times and there aren't many and I tried to listen to it on audiobook. But he narrates it himself and he's a great, great man, but maybe I don't know anyway, but it's fair to read. Yeah Well, it depends.
Speaker 2:It might not be for me, but you know, it really taught me something that I I just hadn't understood before and allowed me to really understand emotions in people and where they sit and how actually there's kind of a hierarchy of emotions and that we need to kind of be aware of and work through. And it's been something that's helped me in so many levels, like personally as a coach as within my business understanding other people, understanding my clients, understanding my team. You know it's really helped me, but it's if. If anybody's going to rush out and buy it, I would say buy the hard copy, sit with the paper and think of it as more of a manual. You know there's some amazing books out there that I would say have definitely been great leadership books, but this is quite a heavy going one, but I loved it, yeah I love it.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get that one because I haven't read that one yeah, I think so. I think I will. I'm gonna prepare myself for the full on I'm gonna say it's.
Speaker 2:It's thinking, you've got probably my book on one scale where you can sit in the garden for an afternoon and flick through it and read it. And you've got this one that's like, oh my God, like yeah, it's a, you don't read it, you study it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a whole degree in reading it. Thank you so so much for your time, kim. I have really enjoyed talking to you, as always, but also letting my listeners and everyone across the world just tune in a little bit to um how they feel about themselves, whether adhd is on their radar. If not, how? How can people get hold of you? What's the best way for people getting in touch? If they've listened to this episode and thought, kim, I just want to find out some more come and say hi, yeah, so, um, kim rain coachingcom is my website.
Speaker 2:Uh, currently for all things, coaching um, and everything's on there at the moment. We will be splitting them soon to the um, neurodiversity training academy, um, or at entrepreneurs coach on socials. Or Kim Raine with an E, come and find me, I'm probably not that hard to find. And, yeah, come and hook up.
Speaker 1:And all the links are below on the podcast. So just go and listen, look in the show notes and you'll see all of Kim's details there, so you can just listen, have a listen, then click straight in and go and send a conversation, if that's what you're called to do. So thank you so so much for your time kim I know you're busy and I know that we have. I have really enjoyed having you on, so take care of yourself and speak to you soon thank you you're welcome.
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